Hm, you're right, the F# compiler is not (yet) smart enough to turn a "foreach" loop over an array into a simple indexing loop. So if you want good perf (to avoid the needless enumerator/disposable-try-finally), use a loop with an index variable on arrays. I've filed a bug against the compiler for this.
Brian
Thanks for the response. I'm curious where all the consing comes from with the enumerator case.
Bill
Hm, you're right, the F# compiler is not (yet) smart enough to turn a "foreach" loop over an array into a simple indexing loop. So if you want good perf (to avoid the needless enumerator/disposable-try-finally), use a loop with an index variable on arrays. I've filed a bug against the compiler for this.
Brian
Thanks for the response. I'm curious where all the consing comes from with the enumerator case.
Bill
Hm, you're right, the F# compiler is not
(yet) smart enough to turn a "foreach" loop over an array into a simple
indexing loop. So if you want good perf (to avoid the needless
enumerator/disposable-try-finally), use a loop with an index variable
on arrays. I've filed a bug against the compiler for this.
I'm curious what the code that's being generated is. Take a look at .NET Reflector.
Simply open up NPuzzle.exe, browse down to
NPuzzleP1.NPuzzle.Puzzle.LowerBoundOnScore (or wherever the code in
question is), select C# as the language to display in, and you should
get the exact C# code that the compiler is generating. When I do this
for the two code fragments in question, I get very similar results, with the main source of overhead being the standard overhead from the SzArrayEnumerator.MoveNext() class, which is not much different than your own overhead of incrementing the i index. Still though, I'm not sure if "consing" is really the right word here, I don't see how there's any consing going on at all, since there's no F# lists anywhere.
By the way, the forum does support posting code blocks, just wrap it in code tags ([] brackets, not <> brackets) with a language="F#" attribute.
Divisor
I believe the GC results clearly establish that there is additional consing going on. (By "consing" I mean heap allocation - of any kind. Those of us who were raised on Lisp and friends tend to use this term in a generic way.) The increase in gen 0 collections indicates a much larger number of short lived objects are being allocated.
In any case I'll take a look at Reflector as I'm sure its results will be instructive.
Regards,
Bill
... Still though, I'm not sure if "consing" is really the right word here, I don't see how there's any consing going on at all, since there's no F# lists anywhere.
Divisor
I tried using [language=F#] ... [/language], but this didn't seem to work; i.e., the added tags just displayed as text. What have I missed? (I edited my original post -- so take a look to see what I mean.]
Thanks,
Bill
...
By the way, the forum does support posting code blocks, just wrap it in code tags ([] brackets, not <> brackets) with a language="F#" attribute.
Divisor
I tried using [language=F#] ... [/language], but this didn't seem to work; i.e., the added tags just displayed as text. What have I missed? (I edited my original post -- so take a look to see what I mean.]
It's
[ c o d e l a n g u a g e = " F # " ]
[ / c o d e ]
with spaces removed.
Regarding the other post about consing, I guess it was just a misunderstanding of terminology. I'm accustomed to using it only to refer to the act of appending an element to the head of a list.
See this thread to learn the syntax highlighting:
Brian
Thanks, I've (re)edited my original post to make the F# code more readable. I also changed the
1
for i = ...
to a
1
for j = ...
loop in order to avoid getting emoticon gibberish instead of the bracketed index reference (which resulted when I used "i" as the variable.) Any way to turn off that stuff within a code block?
Finally, are the Community Server BBCodes (or the ones used by hubFS) documented anywhere? I tried the Help link on this page, but no help. Googling didn't help me much either.
Bill
See this thread to learn the syntax highlighting:
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I have discovered that using enumerators (over an array of tuples) is VERY expensive relative to simply indexing through the same array and binding the tuples with a let. This code occurs within my NPuzzle sample which is described in the "F# Excessive Consing ..." thread in this same group. Here's the code in question (which happens to be the "hot spot" performance wise in my puzzle solver.):
The two cases to consider can be seen in the first 3 lines above. The "fast" version is as presented above. The "slow" version is obtained by commenting out the first 2 lines and uncommenting the 3rd line. The performance difference is pretty dramatic. For my largest NPuzzle case the "fast" version completes in 1.044 seconds while the slow version completes in 6.950 seconds which is ~7x slower! Further, the "fast" version requires (6388, 104, 10) garbage collections, where generation 0, 1,2 collections are counted. The "slow" version requires (82439, 694, 69) garbage collections. This is 13x more generation 0 collections for the "slow" version!
This result seems (to me) to violate the principal of least astonishment. Since the tuple binding occurs in both cases, the only (obvious) remaining difference is the use of the enumerator for the array in the "slow" case. While I would expect *some* overhead given the hidden function calls, 7x seems excessive; furthermore I have no explanation for the huge increase in garbage collections.
Can anyone explain these differences? Is this expected?
Thanks in advance,
Bill